Top BravoOne Posts: 1398 Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:27 pm RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #20 Fri May 09, 2014 1:02 am Quoting gordonsmall (Reply 17): And there In addition, however, on 51 occasions in 2012 and 71 occasions in 2013, potential navigation errors were identified by ATC from routine aircraft position reports (from “next” or “next plus one” Gross navigation errors (GNEs) continue to occur on North Atlantic crossings, many of them committed by business aircraft, according to Anita Trotter-Cox, president of Assessment Compliance Group. Hide any other copies where you won’t find them.
Submission. Please try the request again. Normally one expects coordinates to be to the nearest tenth of a minute. Oceanic airspace that has airways like the west coast to HNL have those routes stored in the FMC NDB and thus there is a higher degree of certainty that you are
Top LONGisland89 Posts: 543 Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:34 am RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #19 Fri May 09, 2014 12:13 am Question for you NAT pilots. A Three Day Snapshot in 2016 [Flight Service Bureau] April 22nd (Friday) — Democratic Republic of the Congo Boeing 727 100 (9QCDC/DRC001) from Santa Maria Island, Azores (LPAZ) to St. First, let's tackle the actual reason why. Do not be so hurried in loading waypoints that mistakes become likely, and always check waypoints against the current ATC clearance.
All notifications should be copied to the CMA [Central Monitoring Agency]; and the appropriate State of Registry or the State of the Operator will be sent a copy of the written April 22nd (Friday) Democratic Republic of the Congo Boeing 727 100 (9QCDC/DRC001) from Santa Maria Island, Azores (LPAZ) to St. To be fair a large number of corporate operators will not be flying in MNPS airspace, even over the north atlantic. The aircraft was recleared via 45N050W prior to proceeding off course.
Oceanic Error Report completed by ATC Gross Navigation Error Intervention Height Error Time Error SAO Verification Reporting Agency: Date of Occurrence: Time of Occurrence: Aircraft Identification or Please note: Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation has no affiliation or connection whatsoever with this website, and Gulfstream does not review, endorse, or approve any of the content included on the site. The various national authorities who are responsible for issuing the MNPS authorisations may have their own requirments, but neither the UK, IOM or Cayman Islands authorities require it to be used check these guys out But you've heard that general aviation has 10 percent of the traffic and 90 percent of the GNE's.
Do you think the lack of an oceanic clearance can contribute to a GNE? Skip to content Search… Search Quick links Unanswered topics Active topics Search The team Forum FAQ Quick links Unanswered topics Active topics Search The team Forum FAQ Login Search… Search Civil Top gordonsmall Posts: 2106 Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:52 am RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #22 Fri May 09, 2014 1:22 am Quoting BravoOne (Reply 19):And there you Do you think the lack of an oceanic clearance can contribute to a GNE?
Flights not complying with clearances...relatively common (at least in ZNY). http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2012-03-19/gross-navigation-errors-continue-plague-north-atlantic-crossings Top gordonsmall Posts: 2106 Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:52 am RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #16 Thu May 08, 2014 7:28 pm Quoting BravoOne (Reply 14):You would be He tries to give you the facts from the source materials but maybe he got it wrong, maybe he is out of date. The NAT Central Monitoring Agency (CMA) now defines a Gross Navigation Error as 10nm instead of 25nm.
Yes No If Intervention or Gross Navigation Error (25 nm or more from cleared route): ATC cleared route or track: Actual route or track: Radar position The navigators job falls squarely onto the front two seats. The terms Oceanic Navigation Error Report (ONER), Oceanic Altitude Deviation Report (OADR), and Erosion of Longitudinal Separation (EOLS) have been changed to harmonize with ICAO reporting terminology. (1) GNE replaces ONER. That just isn't true.
Title Change. Yes No Was crew following the filed flight plan instead of clearance? Note: Determination of a PD is based on the definitions in paragraph 8 above. (4) Send the completed documents by e-mail to: (a) For North Atlantic errors: 1. airspace.
Where You Can Find This Order. Top BravoOne Posts: 1398 Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:27 pm RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #23 Fri May 09, 2014 1:03 pm Quoting gordonsmall (Reply 21): All good Straying off track, altitude or not maintaining your assigned speed is very much a cardinal sin within the NAT track system, unless you have a damn good reason and inform Shanwick/Gander
Annually, the biggest offenders in order of "market share" are: 1. The aircraft was recleared via 45N050W prior to proceeding off course. Top BravoOne Posts: 1398 Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:27 pm RE: Gross Navigational Error Report Quote #17 Thu May 08, 2014 9:58 pm Quoting gordonsmall (Reply 15): Just because On INS equipped aircraft a waypoint numbering sequence should be established from the outset of the flight and entered on the Master Document.
In order that deviation reports can receive prompt attention, each airline/Operator should nominate a person to be responsible for receiving reports and to initiate investigations; the name and full address of There are some tasks on the flight deck which can safely be delegated to one member of the crew, but navigation using automated systems is emphatically not one of them, and Distribution. The flight was cleared direct to YYT and landed without incident at CYYT.
The CMA will then advise the State of Registry. To be fair I think the lack of oversight of corporate operators is more a US problem than otherwise (and thats not a dig at the US). In another instance, a westbound A330 was “Cleared 62/30, 63/40, 62/50, 61/60.” The pilots actually flew over a point “63/50,” some 60 nm north of where they should have been, without Coast-Out Navigation Accuracy Check! [ICAO NAT Doc 007, ¶15.4] Before entering Oceanic Airspace make a careful check of LRNS positions at or near to the last navigation facility – or perhaps
No matter where you fly, human error can creep into FMS programming (even when it is downloaded), flight plan transmission to ATC, and a failure of either of these things with Some of our pilots would always update the initialization with runway position because that's what they did before GPS. New York still issues oceanic clearances, its only the mechanics of the process that have changed. Initialization! [ICAO NAT Doc 007, ¶15.4] Make an independent check on the gate position.
Here are two recent ones from the Transport Canada daily occurrence reports: April 25: An Air Algerie Airbus A330-200 (7T-VJV/ DAH2700) from Algiers (DAAG) to Montreal, QC (CYUL) FL360 at 1656Z Date: 29 April 2014 Subject: North Atlantic Region Half Degree Lat/Long Grid Waypoints Cycle 1404 and 1405 Jeppesen NavData for cycle 1404, effective 3 April 2014, included a large number of Purpose of This Order. If some guy in his G550 causes a conflict it hardly matters if it's another airliner or some guy hiding under the banner of a regulation.
At 30W, the flight reported 48N040W 44N050W. To show position 5230N030W – ARINC 424 offers a format N5230. Some of these errors are detected by means of long range radars as aircraft leave oceanic airspace. Even if you have two versions of the exact flight plan, you are unlikely to annotate both with changes.
I've met several seasoned veterans who simply didn't know how and were afraid to admit that. If some guy in his G550 causes a conflict it hardly matters if it's another airliner or some guy hiding under the banner of a regulation. The aircraft reported proceeding via 46N030W 46N040W 44N050W, as per the original flight plan. April 24th (Sunday) — Neos Airline Boeing 767-300 (INDDL/NOS730) from Ferno, Italy (LIMC) to Havana, Cuba (MUHA).
New York does not issue oceanics anymore. I was once flying from Anchorage, Alaska to Tokyo, Japan when our navigator made the classic east versus west error in our longitude. Pilot message boards are filled with self-assured oceanic pilots claiming plotting is unnecessary. "I've been flying oceanic for thirty years," some of these will say, "and I've never plotted!" What you How to Avoid a GNE? (aka How to avoid a Nastygram from the Authorities): In general, when operating outside of ATC Radar coverage in any airspace: Crews: Don’t have more than